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R*dMare01 said: I am in the market for a new saddle and have decided buy a really nice used one to get more bang for my buck. Currently I am seriously looking at these saddles: Luc Childeric D Dressage Roosili Pilatus Jaguar XKC Prestige Top Dressage Frank Baines Reflex (this would probably be new, not used) Anyone have/ridden one of these? If so, opinions? Quality? FWIW, I prefer a narrow twist. My mare has normal withers and a flat back. Oh, one more thing. If I try one that I really like but it isn't quite a perfect fit, are the trees in these adjustable by a saddle fitter? An interesting tidbit: All of the first four used saddles I like are brown :eek: :lol: Caitlin
CLB15 said: I have a Jaguar and really like it. It has a deep seat and large knee blocks but I don't feel like I'm locked into one spot. It does have the ultimate bannana tree which works fine for my horse who has more prominent withers and fairly narrow behind the shoulders, but I don't know how it would fit a horse with a long, flat back, or with a well sprung barrel. I used to ride a friend's horse in a Luc Childeric (monoflap). Everyone who rode in it stuck to it like glue but could still feel the horse's movement- good thing when riding a spooky horse on trails! The horse had some back issues and a fitter was able to make some minor adjustments to make it work. Is the Prestige Top the model before the 2000? I know a few people who've had the 2000s made between the mid 1990's and early 2000s and have not heard any of them complain. They seem to fit a wide range of horses. If I'd found one in my price range when saddle shopping I would've gotten a 2000 without a second thought. Personally, I've never sat in a Roosli that I liked. I have short legs though and always feel they put me in a chair seat... just not right for me. The people I know with them have had them forever though (they've held up really well), and they were used on lighter horses (TBs and TB-like QHs). ETA: I'm not positive but I believe most of the "nicer" saddles are adjustable. I know the prestiges can be adjusted wider or narrower. The leather on the older models seemed a little more supple (in my opinion), but showed signs of wear easily. The leather on the Luc Childeric was beautiful. It was also very light weight. You can get great deals on brown!
b*tlerfamilyzoo said: I've ridden in the prestige 2000 (probably a pre yr 2000 model as this would have been back in 2001 and it was well used at that point.) I rode in that saddle quite a bit for 6 weeks as a working student, if i remember right, it had a wider twist. It took me a while to feel comfortable in it as i felt the knee blocks were HUGE. But once i got the hang of it, i REALLY liked it and would own one in a heartbeat though i do a bit better in slightly more narrow twist i have found, though not a super narrow twist... Quality was gorgeous. It had faded some, but they say good leather fades, so thats a good sign its good leather! Prestige are adjustable by 2cm up or down i believe. Keiffers, schleese, and passiers as well, so i'm willing to assume probably most of your "bigger dollar" brands are adjustable. You can always get super deals on brown, and they look pretty sharp on bays and chestnuts!
R*val said: The Roosli's are hard and ugly but will last a lifetime. The Childeric's are a bit wide in the twist to me and the tree can not be adjusted and they are foam in the panels. They will either fit or they won't. Strangely enough though they seem to be one of very few saddles that fit my broad flat backed beastie. Other than the twist being a bit wide I did find it to be a comfortable and secure saddle.
JB said: I have an older Top Dressage and, while it's really 1-2 sizes too big for me, I still love it. I imagine I would LOVE it if it was the right size :) But, it was right for my horse, who needs a very hard to come by 37cm, and it was in great condition for the right price. If I found a smaller seat size in a 37 and good condition for the right price, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. And yes, mine is brown :) Prestige 2000 I found incredibly comfortable. Sadly, it was not mine ;) Prestige saddles can be adjusted 2cm up or down from the original size, but the warranty demands it be done by a Prestige-certified fitter. "narrow" twist is pretty subjective. I don't like a REALLY narrow twist, nor do I like a honkin' wide one. But everywhere else inbetween might be just right for me, but considered too narrow by you. I would not call the Top Dressage, or the 2000, "narrow" in relation to what's out there. I'd put it somewhere in the middle range. When you say your mare has a "flatter" back, in which direction are you talking? If you're talking laterally, out from the spine, you're in luck with Prestige. But if you're talking about horizontally, you will probably find Prestige too curvy. It's not what I'd call a banana shape, it's not THAT curvy. But it's slightly curvy, and has upswept panels.
B*gie said: I adore my Roosli. But I have long, long legs and this one was ordered especially to fit me. Of my last three horses it's fit two of them (Trakehner and TB). In fact, although my saddle fitter comes 2x/year, it rarely needs adjusting. In fact, it gets high marks from my fitter as being very horse friendly. As for me, I find it puts me right in balance. I had the Prestige before and I liked it fine. When my Trakehner outgrew the tree on the Prestige I tried about 20 saddles before deciding on the Roosli. I've had mine now for about 8 years. Is it hard? Not as bad as some of the Stubbens I've owned, and certainly not as hard as the old Spirig I had!
h*nohorse said: I have a Jaguar XKC deep seat dressage saddle. Heaven to sit in and a top quality product, unfortunatly for me it does not fit my horse, the curved tree does not fit a flat back so well.
c*ddym said: I used to have a luc childrec and I loved riding in it, Unfortunately, it didn't fit my horse well and I was told by a saddle fitter that it was not adjusiable. I believe the foam panels are also not really adjustable - like you can't really restuff them. That mare is a hard fir and I ended up with a Schlesse for her. I would definitely rec. looking into used schlesse. The trees are always adjustable and they hold their value for resale. I had a prestige 2000 that I bought new for my then 3 turning 4 y.o. gelding. as he moved up the levels, it stopped fitting him. I had it restuffed a few times. I was told that it is possible to adjust that tree ONCE, but I got the impression that it wasn't the best thing to do. I loved the prestige and the leather is really nice and holds up well. I replaced that saddle with an albion slk which I like even better. The albions fit the horses really well. I'm 5'9" I've been told that the albions are best for long legged riders One used saddle dealer that I found along the way is equestrian imports. The owner is a very knowledgable fitter (originally from scotland) who has riden dressage professionally. They will answer questians without trying to sell you stuff. I've personally bought used saddles from trumbell mountain and equestrian imports and their trial periods are great.good luck
SBF said: The Baines saddles are excellent quality. The Reflex is very comfortable. It is a very well-balanced saddle and does have a narrow twist. I have a Reflex for my horse who also has a very flat back. It was the only saddle I tried on him that was even close to fitting him. I did a back tracing and ordered a new Reflex that was custom fitted for him. You can adjust the tree up or down a size.
f*zzy.pony said: The Roosli saddles have upswept panels, which means less surface area for your weight distribution. Increases the possibility for soreness. I would not adjust a tree, ever. When you change the shape in one place, it changes the shape in another, usually not in the way you want it to go. Why not work with a saddle fitter to get one that fits YOUR HORSE (first priority!) AND YOU (second priority!) well in the first place?
*ponacelt said: I owned a Luc Childeric D model and had it fit my new horse, you never would have pried it out of my cold dead hands! It has a narrow twist, and always just allowed my leg to fall into the perfect position. It held up extremely well, and still looks like new. The foam panels cannot be significantly adjusted, however, they also don't lose their shape like wool does, necessitating continual fluffing and restuffing. They will somewhat "mold" to the shape of the horse you are riding, as long as the tree fits. Since I could not find another used Childeric with the right tree size when my youngster needed a new saddle, I went for the next best thing - a L'Apogee designed by the same saddle designer. Good luck!
p*tch work farm said: It would seem that several people are saddle shopping along with you as there are several threads related to saddles/saddle shopping right now. It is such a personal issue! What I might like-you might hate, in other words you may have to try a lot of saddles before you find the one that fits your horse and you like. I tried TONS of saddles before I gave up and had a custom Albion (short flaps for me) made which I later sold and now have a Hennig for my mare, custom again for my short legs. My mare is very round, no wither and a flat back-very hard to fit. I have to say that I REALLY wanted to LOVE the Roosli and I was soooooo disappointed when I didn't like it. Right at the point where your thigh connects to your butt (sorry really couldn't think of a nicer word that properly described it) I felt like I was sitting on a box, it was square and dug into me. I think that the only way to go with a Roosli is to have one made for you. It has been a while but here are all the ones I remember trying: Amerigo (I know some swear by them but to me, it was not "woman friendly"-belonged to my male trainer) Roosli Schleese Passier (rode in one for years, hated the deep seat model and it threw my legs forward) Neidersuss Spirig Baines Prestige and a couple of others that I cannot remember now, never tried the Childeric. Good luck, I know how hard it is to find that "perfect saddle", never mind the price you pay if you ship them back and forth while trying!!! It helps if you are somewhere (boarding facility) so you can try others.
Fr*esianX said: I've tried a handful of the Prestige models - isn't the Top the newer version of the Appaloosa? If so, tried the Appaloosa, and it didn't fit my horse at all - he's a fairly flat backed horse. The Jaguar is a nice saddle, but specifically NOT built for flat backed horses - it has very curved (banana shaped) panels, it will just rock on your flatter horses. I found the two Presiges I tried also didn't fit my horse right. Haven't tried a Roosli or a Childeric - have heard great things about the Childeric from everyone whose sat in one though! Tried an older Frank Baines - it did fit the flatter backed horse well - but it was VERY VERY wide and flat in the twist - I like a medium twist and can handle a medium wide one, but this one hurt. Unfortunately, saddle fit is very personal - getting advice from people is almost useless UNLESS they have the same pelvic structure, same leg length, same seat size, and same horse type you have. Most can give you good info about how it fits the horse and quality of the saddle, but how it fits YOU could be quite different that how it fits ME.
V*lentina_32926 said: I would not adjust a tree, ever. When you change the shape in one place, it changes the shape in another, usually not in the way you want it to go. Why not work with a saddle fitter to get one that fits YOUR HORSE (first priority!) AND YOU (second priority!) well in the first place? My saddle fit my horse perfectly when I bought it 5 years ago. Last year I had it adjusted 4 times, and out of that I had the tree widened twice! When the horse changes shape and adds muscling over the topline the tree MUST widen to keep the horse from getting sore. My saddle was more expensive than many but MADE to have a tree which can be adjusted. Some saddle trees can be adjusted, some can't. Better than buying a new saddle every year.
f*zzy.pony said: When the horse changes shape and adds muscling over the topline the tree MUST widen to keep the horse from getting sore. My saddle was more expensive than many but MADE to have a tree which can be adjusted. Some saddle trees can be adjusted, some can't. Better than buying a new saddle every year. Sure. But how do you widen it in one place without affecting another? Have you ever seen a tree? A wooden tree is essentially a loaded spring - if you let go of one part, it affects all the others. A plastic tree could be melted back down, I guess, but that seems nuts. Fiberglass certainly can't be shaped. And the trees with moving parts - what if one of them breaks? Of course it is financially unreasonable to have to buy a new saddle every year. If you're so lucky as to work with a trainer with a wide variety of saddles, you can borrow through the horse's development, or keep a few very forgiving saddles on hand. It's been my experience that the best way for a single person with their single saddle and their single horse to make the development process "work" is to get a wide saddle with a good tree, one that fits the horse's general shape, and use padding to help "fill" the space until the horse's musculature does.
L*rkspurCO said: I have a Frank Baines Reflex. The twist is wide, not narrow, but this will differ depending on the tree width (mine's an 18 XW). It's a very nice saddle and the monoflap design does put you closer to the horse, which I love, though I'd like the flap to be an inch or two longer (I'm 5'8"). There's a lot of room in the seat and I'd probably ride better in 17.5 seat. Overall, it's a good fit for a wide, flat back, but being a close-contact design doesn't necessarily leave much room for a lot of withers. Since you like a narrower twist, the Frank Baines Elegance would probably be a better option. That is a really nice saddle, especially for the price:yes:, and the twist is narrower (too narrow for me). The tree is slightly flatter than the tree on the Reflex.
P*ulaM said: last year when I was saddle shopping, I tried just about every model Prestige available. My horse hated each and everyone of them. I also tried an Exselle Piaffe, it wasn't too bad, the seat was a bit too narrow for me. I also tried a Passier, but it wasn't the right saddle for my boy. I have owned two Jaguar XKC (1 when they first came to Canada in the late '90's and 1 I purchased in 2007). They were both very comfortable saddles, however, but the 1st one really was too wide for my TB mare (not the right tree shape for her) and the 2nd one, well, I ended up with a saddle that was approx. 2 sizes too wide for my half arab. The 1st one I sold basically for what I paid for it. The 2nd one, I lost over $ 1,000 in selling it. Best saddle purchase I have ever had (sold for same price that I paid) was a Kieffer Wien Pro. I LOVED that saddle, it was my first saddle I ever purchased, fit my TB mare like a dream however, was around 1" to small for me.
*ponacelt said: My saddle fit my horse perfectly when I bought it 5 years ago. Last year I had it adjusted 4 times, and out of that I had the tree widened twice! When the horse changes shape and adds muscling over the topline the tree MUST widen to keep the horse from getting sore. My saddle was more expensive than many but MADE to have a tree which can be adjusted. Some saddle trees can be adjusted, some can't. Better than buying a new saddle every year. Many saddles are not meant to be adjusted that many times. In talking to some saddle fitters and Scheelse, the Schleese saddles lose a good bit of their structural integrity if they are widened or narrowed more than two times. Some reputable used saddle sellers will, in fact, refuse to sell saddles which have been adjusted that many times. As to constant restuffing, while your horse's back changes shape, I'm frankly horrified when I see "saddle fitters" flocking saddles to fit lopsided muscling...as in "one side is more developed than the other, so we'll stuff up the unmuscled side to make things even". Unless there is some physiological reason for this, all it says to me is that you need to work your horse properly to fix the muscling problem...not that you need your saddle reflocked. But back to the question at hand - do you need to buy a whole new saddle every year? I don't think so. If your horse is done growing (young horses really are a whole 'nother question), but becoming more muscled, a good fitter can help you find a saddle with the right tree and panel shape which the horse can "grow" into. With the help of correction pads, you can deal with muscling changes as the horse's back takes shape. I'm certainly not talking about buying a wide tree saddle for a horse who really only needs a medium and then padding it up, but there are ways to make a saddle last a little longer than a year. I know this is not a popular point of view - and certainly not one that many saddle fitters or dealers will agree with - but certainly many of the saddle DESIGNERS and MAKERS I've talked to will agree.
flshg*rdon said: Of those listed, I've only ridden in the Jaguar and it was the most awful experience in a saddle ever! It is built very high in the pommel and when posting, it really, REALLY was unkind to me in sensitive areas. Not to mention it did not fit me (short legs, big butt!) in any way. I guess it must be built for a totally different body type than mine. And as several others have said, it has a banana/rocker type tree. Not good at all for horses with flat backs because it will rock front to back.
3s said: Actually for adjustability NOTHING beats a Schleese - especially since it is pretty much the only saddle that a) is truly made for women (most saddleries have maybe one female model in their line; Schleese has many!) and b) it is the only assymetrically adjustable saddle (and we all know most horses are not evenly muscled - which makes this a really neat feature!) Wintecs, Bates etc can be narrowed and widened, but only in an upside-down V format; Schleese can be narrowed/widened (MANY times btw!) in an upside-down U format - and either side as needed, not necessarily evenly.